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nologic · Dec 23, 2009, 08:59 AM // 08:59

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Originally Posted by bhavv

This is a complete joke right? Nerfing the way that a lot of people enjoy playing, and have been playing for years? Why does PVE need to ever be nerfed? How does another player farming for ecto in the UW affect other peoples game?

A long time ago, Gaile Gray specifically stated that Anet had no problem with people playing PVE solo, why is it suddenly a problem now and what exactly is nerfing SF and 600 / Smite going to accomplish other than losing many more players from the game?

This makes me glad now that I didnt join the test crewe.

How about fixing skills that still need fixing first? Like for example Intensity, Withdraw Hexes, Shatter Storm and plenty of others?

SF = god mode you can farm whatever place u like basically its really annoying to see.
600 / smite was good back in the days for UW but now its also considered god mode imo since its used in a lot of other places.

toocooltang · Dec 23, 2009, 09:12 AM // 09:12

I think ANEt has tried alot of different things to avoid a direct SF nerf. They might still avoid it but I doubt it. Bottom line, since the summer they have been changing the skill itself, and other similar support skills in an attempt to make it less powerful. None of this has worked, SCs still happen and actually are faster today than ever. Some SCs are more difficult than others but they still occur. If you really want to blame anyone for the end of 600/smite and SF you only have yourself, the farmers, to blame. You took something that was fun but gimmicky and abused, you showed no self control and abused, abused and abused now you force ANETs hand and they take it away. The same thing happened with ursan. You have to realize anet is a video game company, they make money when more ppl play the game. Having a game where you can blow through elite areas, get all your cool weapons, and max out the amount of gold in your storage in months is BAD for buisness because you lose interest because you've done it all.

The underworld update is just more proof of how imbalanced SF is period. For a good group now UW takes slightly longer because there is more stuff that has to be killed. Adding the new monsters didn't stop SC's it just punished balanced groups more and made the SC's 15 minutes longer for the good players and nearly impossible for the average pugger.

Fay Vert · Dec 23, 2009, 12:54 PM // 12:54

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Sorry, but me, or anyone else playing the game solo does not in any way affect you or anyone else in anyway whatsoever.

It does when ANet screws the rest of the game in a failed attempt to limit those activities, and it also does when EVERYONE solos (it's supposed to be a multi-player game!)

FyrFytr998 · Dec 23, 2009, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

It does when ANet screws the rest of the game in a failed attempt to limit those activities, and it also does when EVERYONE solos (it's supposed to be a multi-player game!)

And therein lays the rub. ANET is screwing it up, not soloer's per say. If ANET had done due diligence on skill and game design. Then maybe there wouldn't be areas that are soloable. As far as being multiplayer, it's supposed to be, but the sheer awfulness of some pug players and its longevity led this game to its current state. This game is old, and the quantity of good players diminishes each day.

BlackSephir · Dec 23, 2009, 04:17 PM // 16:17

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Originally Posted by Meridon

Let me quote myself:
Wanting similar treatment has nothing to do with being neutral.

Funny, I didn't see you say that. And even if you did- bs. Still haven't proven that I'm not neutral.

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No I am not insane, thank you. I am trying to have a discussion. A discussion is a dialogue in which participants state their opinions and support them with arguments. If no arguments are given, the opinion becomes worthless and the discussion becomes useless. Let me show you how a valid argument for the opinion "I think 600/smite should be nerfed" can look like:

Kid, the 600 discussion is a dead horse. No one's going to explain it to you all over again because you were born yesterday.
Your wall of text with which you're trying to sound all intelligent and save your face is cute and all but instead of "thinking" which isn't something that's working out for you, you could just use COMMON SENSE. When someone says "nerf SF" I know what he means and even tho he didn't give any reasons of his own there are still plenty of reasons to do so, listed by others here and in thousands of other threads.
Don't get all upset because people refuse to "discuss" with you why they think Earth revolves around the Sun and not the other way around.
Oh, and more. No one's going to repeat himself for you because, well... who are you?

Jensy · Dec 23, 2009, 04:29 PM // 16:29

Oh you've got to be kidding me. People making threats over... over a skill nerf. LOLOLOL. Tell me you're not serious? Threatening to leave, threatening to 'fight back' (OH NOES), threatening to take your guild/alliance... blah blah blah. I wish I had no other worries, so I could spend my days fretting over a bloody skill nerf.

Mustache Mayhem · Dec 23, 2009, 04:59 PM // 16:59

these guys don't get it.. soloing is what keeps alot of us playing the game

and guys like this are what I'm talking about.. I guess if it's not on the wiki, it can't exist XD

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Originally Posted by Cuilan

YouSoO is not possible unless you have a large friends list with people who'd be up to it or if it's the zaishen bounty. Nobody attempts to look for people because they know all they'll find is sins.

well sorry cuilan, this is one of the dungeons I solo in under 45 minutes without cons and have gotten everything out of fendi's chest, true you get alot of suntouched staffs and fendi greens, but when you get a r9 golden hammer or a bds it's why we play the game.. it's a satisfaction you will never experience.. being the guy who adds these items to the game (bds has 6% drop rate).. or like bogus said most of the time they end up in storage or use them for hero's

the drop rate is pretty low on certain chest farms.. the voltaic spear is pretty bad.. I can farm that chest once every 11 minutes solo in hm and only seen it drop once- pugs farm it at the very best 3 times an hour including party setup.. and they use a sf sin to run it while the rest damage.. what's going to happen to that group- I can tell you, they probably won't be around anymore

and us greedy farmers, I can't even count the number of times I've went to ascalon and kamadan and given away perfect gold rare to semi-rare weapons to lowbies.. the game is different things to different people- you take away the monk especially.. that's what got most of us got hooked before you even entered the game.. the way the skills interacted- you take your hp divide by 5 or 10- find a way to reduce the damage and walaa you have your tank..

it's something you don't see in other games.. without farming I can see alot of peeps leaving, there will be nothing to do that we haven't already seen

you guys who don't farm and then talk like.. oh this is how I play- I'm all weak, why shouldn't everyone play like me.. your late to the game, solo speed farming has been going on since the game came out.. it's not something new

control all death · Dec 23, 2009, 05:07 PM // 17:07

ok me personaly think that sf should not be nerfed, i see people here saying that anet is a company looking for best interest, they are a gaming company and they make money for what they do, ppl say sf is easy, and it is, its a fast way to make money.. ppl say anet is doing it cuz ppl make money real fast, do speed clears and so on, they can do everything in a few months and quit the game.. well i think thats wrong. ppl say sf takes the sport out of gw, well this is what i think, everyone has a chance to make a perma sin, and im sure 90% of you guys have one, this game isnt for fun anymore, no game is just play and have fun, everything is a competition, online play xbox 360 ps3, everything and everyone playes to be richer and better than everyone else, or at least 90% of us do, nothing stays the same theres always changes on how ppl play, nerfing sf and 600/smite will infact loose more ppl than they think. i for once do not use sf all the time, but its a nice way to make money. SF IS FOR FARMING ONLY, it is usless in normal pve and pvp, who wants to take the time and use SF in everyday pve, it would suck. every prof has there strong points, sins is the ability to farm, war,derves has the ability to farm, and run faster than sins, ive seen wars solo farm uw, faster than sins as well as raptors.. there is no its just a multiplayer game anymore, its a challenge, everygame out there is a challenge to see who is better and faster, only old school players dont agree, its just like your grandparents, they dont agree but its just the way it is, everyone has a change to have a perma, 600/smite for fast farming.. have them nerf these idc, but watch out many ppl quit playing

bhavv · Dec 23, 2009, 06:11 PM // 18:11

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

It does when ANet screws the rest of the game in a failed attempt to limit those activities, and it also does when EVERYONE solos (it's supposed to be a multi-player game!)

The recently buffed Henchmen say 'Hi Fay! We disagree. Anet loves letting people play on their own with us'.

So why nerf playing without them, or without anyone else?

control all death · Dec 23, 2009, 06:37 PM // 18:37

Ya I agree. What does it matter if we SOLO FaRM. I bought this game so I should be able to play it how I want. Abet don't say. You have to play in a group. And plus. We only solo to farm. All activities. Missions. Doungons,unless your farming then is done in groups. So I which case. SOLO=FARMING. MULTIPLAYER=EVERYTHING ELSE. You didn't buy my game or make the rules. And what does it matter if 10% is solo and 90% group. It's our choice. It's the way we play Anet should be happy they made a good game we all like to play and nothing needs to be nerfed when it comes to farming cuz what makes this game good is the chance to make your own decitions with out having a million restrictions. If you wanna perma then perma. If you don't then don't. But all of you would be lyres if you say that a perma sin has never helped you out before

ele pl · Dec 23, 2009, 06:40 PM // 18:40

Leave 600 smite alone

Lithril Ashwalker · Dec 23, 2009, 09:14 PM // 21:14

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Originally Posted by UnChosen

No one attempts it because the area is difficult and the loot is crap for the time required. There are barely any sin groups doing the area so don't even try to spin it to blame SF as the cause of dungeons being empty. The loot is so horrible that most sins don't even want to touch it even if they can. The only people "doing" the dungeons are 600/smite runners and people buying runs.

Why not take it all the way and blame SF for Vizunah Squares being empty too. I don't want to attempt to look for people in Vizunah Squares because all I would find is sins. *cough*

hah ever heard of sinway. look on pvxwiki SoO runs are done the majority are sins. and its so fast they dont care if they get crap drops its the thoguht of a possibility of getting such things as the BDS that they care about. but regardless of the sins useing it
its SoO speedclear and uses teams

Barrage · Dec 23, 2009, 10:45 PM // 22:45

But then in just a few days we get a new content update
and your toon gets overhauled cause the balance is overdue
now you Might as well delete it your new toon just cant compete and
as the cycle is repeated a new flavor is debuted
the forums once again are all a-flamin heads are spinnin
from these wars but Anet's grinnin thanks for playin drive on through

This pretty much summarizes everything.

Ugh · Dec 23, 2009, 11:03 PM // 23:03

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Originally Posted by ele pl

Leave 600 smite alone

Quite the compelling argument. But, lack of support or reasoning could be seen as a possible downfall.

HBlix · Dec 23, 2009, 11:20 PM // 23:20

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Originally Posted by Ugh

Quite the compelling argument. But, lack of support or reasoning could be seen as a possible downfall.

Do you ask people to defend their choice in favorite color, too? This isn't a debate club. Maybe he just likes 600/smite.

Bryant Again · Dec 24, 2009, 12:15 AM // 00:15

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Originally Posted by FyrFytr998

As far as being multiplayer, it's supposed to be, but the sheer awfulness of some pug players and its longevity led this game to its current state. This game is old, and the quantity of good players diminishes each day.

Exactly - and that's why we have henchies and heroes.

I don't think any game should be made to be broken, though.

Ugh · Dec 24, 2009, 12:24 AM // 00:24

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Originally Posted by HBlix

Do you ask people to defend their choice in favorite color, too?

Yes.

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This isn't a debate club.

It isn't?

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Maybe he just likes 600/smite.

Very well, then. I just hope he doesn't expect anyone to do anything more than just ignore his post.

Meridon · Dec 24, 2009, 01:26 AM // 01:26

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Funny, I didn't see you say that. And even if you did- bs. Still haven't proven that I'm not neutral.

I could make a very lame joke here about you not being able to understand written text. Would that make you feel better? No, so I'm not going to do it. So next time, don't do it yourself either, especially when irony gets you in the end. My previous post contains a simple metaphoric example, that shows exactly why it's not "bs", but in fact, logic. I'll post the original message below, just to show you that I'm not messing around. Clicking the arrow next to my nickname will take you directly to it.

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Originally Posted by Meridon

Wanting similar treatment has nothing to do with being neutral if your intentions are wanting others to be as butthurt as you are (in other words, revenge).

On the subject of being neutral, you still haven't proven that you were, which you could have, by posting your own proper arguments as mentioned in my previous post. If you had done that, I wouldn't have called you prejudiced.

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Kid, (...) because you were born yesterday. Your wall of text with which you're trying to sound all intelligent and save your face is cute and all but instead of "thinking" which isn't something that's working out for you, you could just use COMMON SENSE.

One Ad Hominem after another... and another.... and another... and another. The irony of this is that Ad Hominem fallacies are a lovely example of the subject's own inability to engage in serious discussion. Here's some common sense for you: Making fun of people in a discussion, calling them all sorts of things, and not actually making any valuable contributions is bad. I said this before, and I just said it again. Hopefully you won't ignore the message this time.

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...the 600 discussion is a dead horse. No one's going to explain it to you all over again. (...) When someone says "nerf SF" I know what he means and even tho he didn't give any reasons of his own there are still plenty of reasons to do so, listed by others here and in thousands of other threads.

Do you seriously think that I haven't read any of the arguments posted by other users in this thread, or was unable to come up with any other myself? This, again, is not the point. Of course I have read them. However, some I agree with, some I don't agree with. In the end, I post my own opinion, backed up by my own arguments. If I happen to agree with someone's arguments to a serious extent, I quote them for it. How am I supposed to know which arguments you agree with if you don't post or quote them? I could of course, guess them, and make assumptions. Like the assumption that I made that you were posting out of revenge for the nerfing of your favorite farming skill. You didn't like that. If you don't like me assuming things, don't make me do so.

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Don't get all upset because people refuse to "discuss" with you why they think Earth revolves around the Sun and not the other way around.
Oh, and more. No one's going to repeat himself for you because, well... who are you?

I'm glad to inform you that I'm not upset, but thank you for your compassion. It is very much appreciated because we all know you are such an important figure who we all care so much about. Me and my friends all love you and want your babies. Luckily, I'm quite used to dealing with people who have the disability to have a normal discussion, and instead resort to more insulting manners in order to sound strong. Reading posts on forums like these and replying to them brings nothing new.

tl, dr: Stop insulting and making fun of people, and next time first post why you think something. It saves a lot of drama.

UnChosen · Dec 24, 2009, 02:56 AM // 02:56

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Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker

hah ever heard of sinway. look on pvxwiki SoO runs are done the majority are sins. and its so fast they dont care if they get crap drops its the thoguht of a possibility of getting such things as the BDS that they care about. but regardless of the sins useing it
its SoO speedclear and uses teams

YES I heard of all the sinway dungeon clears! That's why you need to read my post, where I said "even most sin groups don't want to touch the areas because the drops are so bad". 600/smite is BY FAR the best way to clear dungeons AND get BDS only because they can RUN people for extra money. Just because its possible for sins doesn't mean that everyone is doing it. If it wasn't for the extra running income, its better to actually solo farm raptor for the gold and BUY the damn chest item outright, just because the drop rate is so low.

Gun Pierson · Dec 24, 2009, 03:28 AM // 03:28

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Originally Posted by Ugh

Quite the compelling argument. But, lack of support or reasoning could be seen as a possible downfall.

The main argument is because 600/smite is fun and I thought this needed no explenation. I guess most players only think about themselves so I'll rephrase: Leave 600/smite alone because it's fun for a lot of players including myself.

PvE, should be about fun and giggles within a certain frame of 'balance'. 600/smite didn't cross that line imo. You need more than one player and it takes skill (yeah I know, a lot of you guys are the sh1t, but this is gw guru so don't fool yourself).

PvP is where you'll find a more balanced environment and it is designed for competition and that sorta fun.